17:00:39	 From agnes borinsky : how’re y’all doing?
17:01:10	 From Noel Allain : pretty good!
17:01:12	 From Jacob P : doing well, agnes! how are you?
17:01:46	 From agnes borinsky : weird times, weird times, but good :)
17:01:49	 From SARA LYONS : happy to be back! hello from my high school bedroom...
17:01:54	 From agnes borinsky : omg
17:01:56	 From Waline St Louis : surviving and you?
17:02:09	 From agnes borinsky : alive, yes, what can we say
17:02:45	 From agnes borinsky : welcome, everyone. we’ll start in just a few minutes.
17:07:09	 From Daniel Krane : My sister, Rebecca
17:07:11	 From Adam Mazer : my 97-year old grandmother
17:07:11	 From noah (he-him) : Helen & ken
17:07:21	 From Lindsay Bowman : My mom
17:07:21	 From Clare Barron : My grandmother
17:07:24	 From Elise (she | her) : Uncle David
17:07:24	 From Jacob Perkins : cheryl
17:07:24	 From Walker Caplan : tisher
17:07:25	 From Jessica Goldschmidt : Mom
17:07:26	 From Paul K. Smith : the Pagan Goddess
17:07:26	 From Daniel Scharfman : my friend Ruth
17:07:27	 From Maggie Cino : my family and our relationship
17:07:27	 From Sarah Sanders (she/her) : my cousin Katie
17:07:29	 From Raphi Soifer (he/they) : the plumber who (according to my downstair neighbors) just arrived and *might* restore hot water after 48+ hours w/o
17:07:29	 From Jillian (she/her) : Alice
17:07:34	 From Maia Karo : Reba
17:07:35	 From Yehuda L. Hyman : All the poets who make beauty in the world
17:07:37	 From sara lyons (she/they) : travis johnson, my high school boyfriend who i haven’t spoken to in at least a decade, and who made me a mix cd in 2006 that I just found
17:07:40	 From Noel (he him) on Lenapehoking : Phillip
17:07:42	 From Kate Benson : jenny
17:07:56	 From Elliot Schiff (he/him) : eli!
17:07:59	 From Waline St Louis : my sister Shirley
17:08:05	 From Jessica Almasy : whomever needs it
17:08:18	 From Liesel (she/her) : Crystal’s dad, Daisy and her husband, Aunt Kathy, Barbara D, and Flo
17:10:54	 From Eli Gelb (he/him) : Goin thru a break up :’( :’)
17:11:25	 From Clare Barron : Sorry Eli! Sending love
17:11:41	 From Walker Caplan : sending strength and fun @Eli!
17:11:55	 From Eli Gelb (he/him) : <3 and nice to see you Clare :)
17:12:01	 From Eli Gelb (he/him) : Thank you :)
17:12:35	 From Raphi Soifer (he/they) : @sara lyons, will you send us some of the highlights from the cd?
17:13:11	 From sara lyons (she/they) : Oh man. “You Could Be Happy” by Snow Patrol which is actually one of the SADDEST BREAK UP songs in the world and it was supposed to be a love mix
17:13:23	 From sara lyons (she/they) : and 500 Miles by The Proclaimers is on it :P
17:13:27	 From sara lyons (she/they) : and the first song is NIN...
17:13:32	 From sara lyons (she/they) : It’s a lot, ya’ll.
17:13:43	 From Sam Max : Snow patrol is pretty good
17:13:55	 From Clare Barron : You can have an innie or an outie!
17:14:07	 From sara lyons (she/they) : @sam totally
17:15:45	 From sara lyons (she/they) : Only resentment
17:15:48	 From sara lyons (she/they) : goes back up
17:15:56	 From Liesel (she/her) : hahahahaha
17:16:02	 From Adam Mazer : hahahahahah
17:16:03	 From Jillian (she/her) : Lots of animals eat it after giving birth
17:16:05	 From Adam Mazer : savage
17:16:59	 From Sarah Sanders (she/her) : I knew someone in college whose parents put her placenta in the ground and planted a tree on top of it, and it was called her “placenta tree”
17:17:33	 From Eli Gelb (he/him) : I’ve always wondered about that!
17:18:50	 From Jody and Jeffrey : yes
17:19:03	 From Eli Gelb (he/him) : “The difference between an "innie" and an "outie" belly button has nothing to do with management of the umbilical cord at birth. Most people who have an "outie" fall into one of two categories: either they were born with a tiny umbilical hernia, which is most likely, or had a small infection at the base of the umbilical cord that went unnoticed. This will cause unusual tissue called granulation tissue to form. Later in life, this looks like a knot or polyp of skin protruding from the base of the umbilicus.”
17:19:17	 From Liesel (she/her) : WOW
17:19:27	 From Sarah Sanders (she/her) : BODIES
17:19:42	 From Clare Barron : Thanks eli!
17:19:54	 From agnes borinsky : www.rustchukfarm.org/uploads/1/3/1/5/131554713/vicuna1.pdf
17:20:42	 From Daniel Krane (he/they) : Your website doesn’t work on my computer for some reason!
17:20:49	 From Daniel Krane (he/they) : (dial tcp: lookup www.rustchukfarm.org: no such host)
17:22:37	 From Elliot Schiff (he/him) : liesel i feel like you have such a good reading voice
17:24:13	 From Liesel (she/her) : Thank you :)
17:28:29	 From Maggie Cino : Will you put the instructions in the chat again?
17:28:59	 From agnes borinsky : Visualize three sources of life for you
17:29:07	 From agnes borinsky : Identify where they are directionally from you, right now
17:29:09	 From Eli Gelb (he/him) : Just wanna show some love for your self-advocacy, Liesel
17:29:16	 From agnes borinsky : maybe using your compass in your phone?
17:29:19	 From agnes borinsky : or your intuition?
17:29:20	 From Liesel (she/her) : <3
17:29:28	 From agnes borinsky : yes eli + liesel! i appreciate it too :)
17:29:42	 From agnes borinsky : and establish three “temples” along those three lines
17:29:52	 From agnes borinsky : which can be as simple as a single object, or a mark
17:32:16	 From sara lyons (she/they) : I think of a knot as something that forces you to stop or slow down. My first association is of brushing my hair as a child
17:33:27	 From lyndseybourne : you clamp it
17:33:32	 From lyndseybourne : if you are cord blood banking
17:34:30	 From lyndseybourne : also you want to clamp it to allow it to finish pulsing
17:34:32	 From lyndseybourne : that’s right
17:34:33	 From lyndseybourne : yeah
17:36:07	 From Raphi Soifer (he/they) : “wool is like an agreement” is awesome, @liesel
17:38:59	 From lyndseybourne : not flaky at all Kate! We are deeply bodily connected to the cosmos
17:39:30	 From Liesel (she/her) : Yes to Kate
17:42:03	 From Daniel Krane (he/they) : Makes me think of this Eula Biss quote about public health: “"Our bodies may belong to us, but we ourselves belong to a greater body, composed of many bodies. We are, bodily, both independent and dependent."
17:42:33	 From Eli Gelb (he/him) : i just had the thought (and forgive me if this has been said) that a knot is a relationship in itself, i.e. you can’t loop around/hook/tangle if you’re not attached to something
17:47:56	 From agnes borinsky : https://www.sefaria.org/sheets/280548
17:51:28	 From Eli Gelb (he/him) : Whoa wut
17:51:30	 From Liesel (she/her) : WHAT
17:51:48	 From Eli Gelb (he/him) : metaphysicalllll?
17:52:31	 From Liesel (she/her) : This is a pitbull on a leash!
17:52:50	 From noah (he-him) : Reminds me of the “vegetable lamb” a medieval explanation for cotton https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegetable_Lamb_of_Tartary
17:52:50	 From Elise (she | her) : lol!
17:52:51	 From declan! (they/them) : oh my gosh i’m so late today
17:52:58	 From declan! (they/them) : hi every1
17:53:01	 From Jessica Goldschmidt : i always thought of mandrakes as basically terrifying cabbage patch kids
17:54:25	 From Jordan Baum : thinking about the centripetal motion of the beast of the fields, that its circular,  the radius being the cord
17:55:21	 From Raphi Soifer (he/they) : @agnes (or other hebrew speakers): does “yadua” have anything to do with knowledge?
17:56:24	 From Maia Karo : @raphi - it literally means “the known” (is at least one meaning)
17:56:36	 From Raphi Soifer (he/they) : thanx @maia!
17:56:57	 From Maia Karo : Ya!
17:57:26	 From Jordan Baum : Do plants feel like this?
17:57:38	 From Liesel (she/her) : :-)
17:57:47	 From sara lyons (she/they) : @Jordan !!!! ahhhh my poor plants
17:59:40	 From Clare Barron : I’ve always worried about plants, Jordan! I think that’s a good point!
18:01:15	 From Elise (she | her) : sad that it is called the Master of the Field - it does not feel like the Master of anything
18:01:32	 From Liesel (she/her) : Ouch yes to Elise!
18:01:42	 From declan! (they/them) : and it really IS a plant in a sense, right?
18:01:58	 From declan! (they/them) : like it’s got a root in the ground, the text says that it “grows” in the field
18:02:02	 From sara lyons (she/they) : plant-ed
18:02:18	 From Clare Barron : I think about it a little bit like my connection to sanity
18:02:32	 From Clare Barron : So in that sense it’s restrictive but not necessarily bad
18:02:38	 From declan! (they/them) : mmmMMMmmm
18:02:41	 From Raphi Soifer (he/they) : @clare, that’s fantastic
18:02:56	 From Liesel (she/her) : @clare woof I feel that
18:03:07	 From Clare Barron : <3
18:04:29	 From Elliot Schiff (he/him) : i gotta run to another zoom thing, but this was great! good to see you all, take care everybody <3 !
18:04:38	 From Jordan Baum : makes me think about being a guarder of land, also —— reminding me of what paul k. smith said about people in the midst of their land being colonized
18:06:23	 From Waline St Louis : it’s giving me the impression of a mother, maybe she’s single spurned by her baby father. So she keeps the child close, to protect them both. Him from people like his/her daddy, her from loneliness.
18:07:11	 From Liesel (she/her) : Yes Jessica!
18:07:11	 From Jordan Baum : “known quantity”
18:07:29	 From Yehuda L. Hyman : Is the “Ya” in Yadua - Yah as in God? And what does that mean if it is?
18:10:46	 From declan! (they/them) : “amniotic” is a wild word
18:11:36	 From noah (he-him) : Maybe image of the yadua is the horrific (and pathetic) blend of plant-life with animal hunger - the monstrous result from “mixing seeds”
18:11:52	 From Jessica Goldschmidt : thanks jillian, yes totally nuts to have a fetus with no womb
18:12:53	 From Jillian (she/her) : @Jessica and an umbilical cord when you don’t need it anymore! Love that tension
18:13:38	 From Marianna (she/they) : i'm imagining the yadua connected to 'all' knowledge, experience, learning-- overwhelming energy in the earth. So when someone comes upon the yadua/the border all of this information is violent (echoing Jessica). And perhaps this knowledge is violent/overwhelming also bc other humans who are not connected do not know, or are choosing not to know….also "to know (a person carnally)," reminds me of the quipu as bodily knowledge. 
18:13:52	 From Sarah Sanders (she/her) : this all makes me think of, like, freudian psychoanalysis and the idea of the “navel of the dream” /unconscious/self as being something that’s ultimately unknowable — and am just connecting “navel” to “umbilical” in this moment
18:14:15	 From sara lyons (she/they) : navel-gazing
18:15:18	 From agnes borinsky : two forms of umbilicality:
18:15:24	 From agnes borinsky : quipu umbilicality
18:15:27	 From agnes borinsky : yadua umbilicality
18:15:33	 From agnes borinsky : divide a paper in two
18:15:55	 From agnes borinsky : write on one side a list of where you have quipu-style relationship to something or someone(s)
18:16:05	 From agnes borinsky : and on the other, where you have yadua-style relation
18:16:23	 From Adam Mazer : i feel like i’m bad at paying attention today, but could you maybe summarize a little what each of those means?
18:16:27	 From Adam Mazer : in basic terms
18:16:29	 From agnes borinsky : totally
18:16:31	 From agnes borinsky : it’s a lot lol
18:16:49	 From agnes borinsky : quipu: connection to something larger, more extended, distant, part of a larger flow / tapestry
18:17:03	 From agnes borinsky : with a sense of large web of connection, awareness, and responsibility
18:17:13	 From agnes borinsky : yadua: close, intense, deep knowledge
18:17:18	 From agnes borinsky : a lot of command and power in that sphere
18:17:23	 From agnes borinsky : but also vulnerability to others
18:17:30	 From Adam Mazer : okay cool
18:17:36	 From agnes borinsky : and vulnerability when that particular source of knowledge or strength is broken
18:18:16	 From Yehuda L. Hyman : quipu: very far. yadua: very close.
18:18:34	 From agnes borinsky : oh yes, gorgeous, yehuda
18:19:27	 From agnes borinsky : QUIPU
18:19:32	 From declan! (they/them) : gardening
18:19:43	 From declan! (they/them) : china
18:19:51	 From Jessica Goldschmidt : song & singing
18:19:53	 From Raphi Soifer (he/they) : language
18:19:54	 From sara lyons (she/they) : my work in the intellectual sense
18:19:59	 From Walker Caplan : working w my students
18:20:02	 From Yehuda L. Hyman : The sun. The faucet. The mother.
18:20:05	 From noah (he-him) : I’ll see you again
18:20:12	 From Maia Karo : The Mediterranean
18:20:18	 From sara lyons (she/they) : being jewish
18:20:19	 From Clare Barron : mountains
18:20:28	 From Raphi Soifer (he/they) : History (with a capital H)
18:20:39	 From Jessica Goldschmidt : floating/air creatures
18:20:42	 From Jessica Goldschmidt : ocean/water
18:20:44	 From Liesel (she/her) : Something about my work and art and time and community work
18:20:54	 From Daniel Scharfman : my brothers
18:20:57	 From Kate Benson : the ocean
18:20:59	 From Lauren Miller : Distant hopes, trivial pleasures, the living, basic needs, karaoke
18:21:00	 From Kate Benson : living in New yOrk
18:21:05	 From sara lyons (she/they) : some of my relationships, sometimes
18:21:06	 From Elise (she | her) : soup is quipu (can be left to simmer), so is my sister
18:21:10	 From Daniel Krane (he/they) : Writers who help me let go: Marie Howe/Maggie Nelson/Kacey Musgreaves/Pema Chodron
18:21:12	 From Jessica Almasy : an audience
18:21:18	 From Daniel Scharfman : a large work in progress on my studio wall
18:21:22	 From Kate Benson : Yes books yes (other) writers
18:21:27	 From Marianna (she/they) : dreams when I want to keep sleeping
18:21:28	 From Clare Barron : cats
18:21:32	 From Maia Karo : My grandfathers voice
18:21:35	 From declan! (they/them) : takis.
18:21:38	 From Kate Benson : a rehearsal room! sometimes.
18:21:39	 From Eli Gelb (he/him) : Other peoples’ pain
18:21:45	 From Sarah Sanders (she/her) : musicd
18:21:45	 From sara lyons (she/they) : memory
18:21:47	 From Noel (he him) on Lenapehoking : practicing generosity
18:21:57	 From Clare Barron : dessert
18:22:07	 From Waline St Louis : being black
18:22:21	 From agnes borinsky : YADUA
18:22:22	 From declan! (they/them) : dad’s green beans
18:22:30	 From Yehuda L. Hyman : loneliness of the prophet
18:22:32	 From sara lyons (she/they) : my phone
18:22:41	 From declan! (they/them) : music. musicianship. scales
18:22:42	 From Daniel Krane (he/they) : Nuclear family
18:22:42	 From Sarah Sanders (she/her) : a fight with my mother
18:22:51	 From Raphi Soifer (he/they) : american-ness (i think)
18:22:52	 From noah (he-him) : making theater for $
18:22:54	 From Clare Barron : sisters
18:22:56	 From sara lyons (she/they) : balance in checking acct
18:23:08	 From Maia Karo : Old habits/dynamics in relationships with my mom
18:23:27	 From Clare Barron : Reputation / relationship to others
18:23:27	 From Jessica Goldschmidt : i had them as a continuum, so halfway between q and y is the reality of death (?) and then closer to y is death (my own) and Mom
18:23:28	 From Eli Gelb (he/him) : The concept of “should”
18:23:30	 From Jacob Perkins : i keep thinking that all of my answers for quipu could also be my answers for yadua, depending on my mood that day.  to me, quipu seems altruistic and yadua seems more focused on the self.
18:23:32	 From Marianna (she/they) : myself, my brain & thought process. whiteness
18:23:33	 From Jessica Almasy : my dad lying in the bed in the next room with my seven year old watching football and explaining how first downs work hearing it thro the wall
18:23:36	 From Raphi Soifer (he/they) : @sara, totally agree re:money
18:23:40	 From Jillian (she/her) : Both: sex, song, adolescent girls, my family
18:23:46	 From Marianna (she/they) : sarah kane
18:23:53	 From declan! (they/them) : mitski
18:23:53	 From Lauren Miller : Recent regrets, being desired, the dead, yearning wants, recitals
18:23:57	 From Jessica Almasy : an audience
18:24:06	 From Liesel (she/her) : Something about twelve-step work
18:24:07	 From Daniel Krane (he/they) : My ambition
18:24:07	 From sara lyons (she/they) : my stupid crush
18:24:16	 From Sarah Sanders (she/her) : weyes blood
18:24:29	 From declan! (they/them) : crushing. having to always be crushing on someone
18:24:33	 From Elise (she | her) : parents are Yadua because we need to keep checking on them - still in the field?
18:24:34	 From declan! (they/them) : HAVING to. WHY
18:24:34	 From Waline St Louis : q, my legacy. Leaving the planet a better place
18:24:45	 From Noel (he him) on Lenapehoking : nostalgia
18:24:51	 From agnes borinsky : www.rustchukfarm.org/uploads/1/3/1/5/131554713/vicuna2
18:25:00	 From sara lyons (she/they) : obligation
18:28:12	 From Maia Karo : @agnes where is this text/interview from?
18:29:53	 From Raphi Soifer (he/they) : A string walks into a bar.The bartender says, "I'm sorry, but we don't serve strings here."

The string walks away a little upset and sits down with his friends.

A few minutes later he goes back to the bar and orders a beer. The bartender, looking a little exasperated, says, "I'm sorry, we don't serve strings here."

So the string goes back to his table. Then he gets an idea. He ties himself in a loop and messes up the top of his hair.

Then he walks back up to the bar and orders a beer. The bartender squints at him and says, "Hey, aren't you a string?"

And the string says, "Nope, I'm a frayed knot."
18:30:10	 From Jordan Baum : just wanted to say, i’m thinking about gravitational force and the “invisible” or virtual cords between any things with mass —— though the earth is so big that when we’re on it the only gravitational cord we notice is that one
18:30:24	 From Liesel (she/her) : @Raphi yes
18:30:52	 From Daniel Krane (he/they) : Gravity! The ultimate string!
18:31:09	 From Liesel (she/her) : Yes @Jordan!
18:31:16	 From Eli Gelb (he/him) : yay depressing
18:31:46	 From Eli Gelb (he/him) : totally
18:31:55	 From Maia Karo : @clare yes
18:31:56	 From Sam Max : Yes Clare
18:32:03	 From Eli Gelb (he/him) : I think the word “understanding” is key
18:32:09	 From agnes borinsky : Camila Marambio & Cecilia Vicuña, Slow Down Fast, a toda raja
18:32:19	 From Maia Karo : @agnes thank you!
18:32:49	 From declan! (they/them) : the artist’s way by julia cameron is a lot about this, about being a vessel for creation rather than a creator, and she has a mantra that she asks you to use in the course of the book that goes “Great Creator, you take care of the quality, I will take care of the quantity.”
18:32:58	 From declan! (they/them) : WAIT
18:32:58	 From Sarah Sanders (she/her) : @Declan I was thinking of that!!!
18:32:59	 From declan! (they/them) : OTHER WAYAROUND
18:33:03	 From declan! (they/them) : I GOT IT WRONG