17:06:36 From Jacob Perkins : Lucky 17:06:37 From Paul K. Smith : Kitty 17:06:39 From michellenavis : Jarron 17:06:44 From Liesel (she/her) : Joe and his mom 17:06:45 From declan z (they/them) : mom! 17:06:48 From Walker Caplan : Elaine & Sid 17:06:49 From Noel Allain : Don 17:06:50 From Rafael (they/them) : Brian 17:06:51 From Meaghan McLeod : Dave 17:06:51 From Lindsay Bowman : Jordan 17:06:53 From Lauren Miller : Pop Pop 17:06:53 From Gus Heagerty : dan 17:06:55 From Eyad : Hiam 17:06:58 From Ryan Gedrich : a familiar face (hi michelle) 17:07:01 From Michael Leibenluft (he/him) : Michael Callen 17:07:06 From patrick ferreri (he/him) : kathleen 17:07:08 From Sarah Tuft (she/her/hers) : Ronnie 17:07:10 From Kate Benson : dad 17:07:10 From Lucy Jackson (she/her) : Cousin Nick 17:07:11 From noah (he-him) : bill 17:07:14 From Daniel Scharfman : Daniel 17:07:15 From maddy & raphi : Freddie 17:07:18 From Lila Rachel Becker : Cait 17:07:20 From Jessica Almasy : ben 17:07:20 From Daniel Lupo (they/them) : yvonne 17:07:21 From Megan Riordan (she/her) : everyone hitting the wall 17:07:22 From Elliot Schiff (he/him) : my cat paws 17:07:31 From Maia Karo : maggie 17:07:52 From Pinar : meryem 17:07:53 From Dina Vovsi : Lillian. 17:08:26 From Sarah Tuft (she/her/hers) : the healthcare worker who Tweeted about dealing with Covid patients who deny it exists even as they are being intubated 17:08:41 From Lila Rachel Becker : g-d is not a contract, or a guy 17:08:43 From Daniel Scharfman : any day now any day now 17:08:54 From Meaghan McLeod : May you have enough good company or enough memory to last you a long time 17:08:59 From Eyad : Your revolutionary love 17:09:02 From Pinar : I got another plan, one that requires me to stand 17:09:15 From Paul K. Smith : To arms, citizens! Aux armes citoyens! 17:09:18 From Noel Allain : Stop. Start again. Where you want to be. 17:09:23 From Philip Gates (they/them) : You thought that I would never see 17:09:23 From Sarah Tuft (she/her/hers) : if there ever is gonna be healing There has to be remembering And then grieving So that there then can be forgiving There has to be knowledge and understanding 17:09:29 From Philip Gates (they/them) : What was meant for you was meant for me 17:09:30 From Daniel Lupo (they/them) : stand brave, life-liver 17:09:33 From Jessica Almasy : we are the light of the world 17:09:33 From Angel Z : I’ve fallen in love I’ve fallen in love for the first time and this time I know it’s for real 17:09:36 From patrick ferreri (he/him) : I stay afloat in these jeans of stones 17:09:39 From noah (he-him) : yo soy como el chile verde 17:09:41 From Liesel (she/her) : Mop the sweat/fight your way back 17:09:41 From michellenavis : Pull yourself together And just calm down 17:09:42 From Allyson Dwyer : i’ll make the most of it, I’m an extraordinary machine 17:09:42 From maddy & raphi : we rise up encryptedly, but that’s part of the problem/we’re elusive and illusive/and illusory as fuck 17:09:43 From Michael Leibenluft (he/him) : Inch by inch, row by row 17:09:46 From Maggie Cino : I’m made of thunder I’m made of lightning I’m made of dirt, yeah Made of the fine things 17:09:51 From Elliot Schiff (he/him) : well a setback can be a setup, for a comeback if you don’t let up 17:09:51 From Jacob Perkins : blow me from the side of the mountain 17:09:59 From Rafael (they/them) : And in our quiet hour, I feel I see everything, And am in love With the hook Upon which everyone hangs. 17:10:01 From Jody and Jeffrey : how many times can a man turn his head and pretend that he just doesn’t see 17:10:01 From Megan Riordan (she/her) : But now it strengthens me to know the truth at last That everything comes from consummation, and everything comes with consequence 17:10:16 From Jaclyn Backhaus : I want to see you dance again 17:10:18 From Lauren Miller : Don’t bring around a cloud to rain on my parade! 17:10:22 From Lucy Jackson (she/her) : just like a tree planted by the water 17:10:32 From Angel Z : you thought that it could never happen to all the people that you became 17:10:33 From Declan Zhang : any kind of love, or at least my kind of love, must be an imaginary love, to start with 17:10:42 From Declan Zhang : guess that can explain, the rain waiting watching game 17:10:44 From Lindsay Bowman : Ain’t no stoppin’ us now, we’ve got the groove! 17:10:50 From Declan Zhang : shubert busts my brain, to start with 17:11:04 From Dina Vovsi : If dreams were lightning, thunder were desire This old house would have burnt down a long time ago 17:11:04 From Kate Benson : listen if you’re missing y’all 17:11:08 From Walker Caplan : i still have my telephone! ha ha ha ha! i love it! 17:11:08 From maddy & raphi : do what you gotta do 17:11:09 From Maia Karo : look what a body language has and what proportions 17:11:21 From Sarah Tuft (she/her/hers) : You know we've got to find a way To bring some lovin' here today, 17:11:25 From Ryan Gedrich : but you see, it’s not me, it’s not my family in your head, in your head, they’re fighting 17:11:30 From lyndseybourne : there’s a new voice calling, you can hear it if you try 17:11:37 From Declan Zhang : everybody’s talking at me / i can’t hear a word they’re saying / only the echoes / of my mind 17:12:22 From Megan Riordan (she/her) : Get up, get up, get up, put the gloves back on, back in the ring, hit the ground, nothing comes easy 17:24:31 From agnes borinsky : https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/03/opinion/lebanon-coronavirus-economy.html 17:25:48 From agnes borinsky : https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/03/opinion/lebanon-coronavirus-economy.html 17:26:13 From agnes borinsky : https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/03/opinion/lebanon-coronavirus-economy.html 17:26:14 From Eyad : https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/03/opinion/lebanon-coronavirus-economy.html 17:26:44 From Jordan Baum : thank goodness for declan ! 17:26:56 From Declan Zhang : hey!!!!! 17:26:58 From Declan Zhang : <333 17:27:11 From noah (he-him) : paywalled :( 17:27:52 From Liesel (she/her) : Me paywalled too 17:30:14 From noah (he-him) : Thanks! 17:30:29 From Liesel (she/her) : Thank you 17:37:57 From Lila Rachel Becker : yes maddi1 17:38:10 From Lila Rachel Becker : “grit” - this american bootstrappy idea 17:40:04 From jaclyn backhaus (she/her) : yes re: how the story told: idea of economists telling stories about bankers’ resilience feels very self-serving or cyclical?? hahaha i’m realizing i have no idea who economists are or who they work for 17:41:05 From noah (he-him) : Abolitionist Ruth Wilson Gilmore often talks about “capitalism protecting capitalism from capitalism” and it seems like a narrative of resilience can be a tool for this protection 17:41:21 From Mishy Jacobson : Resilience as a sort of social construct 17:41:31 From Walker Caplan : & resilience is often tied to productivity — which is made by the state 17:41:45 From maddy & raphi : charter schools teach “grit” as taking working class kids to college … 17:41:54 From maddy & raphi : grit ~ privilege 17:42:14 From maddy & raphi : * grit ≠ privilege 17:42:44 From Lila Rachel Becker : we should be building a system in which does not need to be especially “gritty” to be succeed. 17:42:52 From maddy & raphi : + 17:42:54 From Allyson Dwyer : regarding what Jaclyn said above…I’ve always felt like economics is fake…economists are like magicians making up stuff out of nothing 17:43:13 From Liesel (she/her) : Yes to allyson 17:43:24 From noah (he-him) : Also forcing the responsibility of systemic issues onto individuals (ie: personal recycling will solve climate change) 17:43:42 From Lila Rachel Becker : @noah yes!!!! 17:43:50 From Dina Vovsi : Hear, hear, Allyson. 17:45:39 From Lila Rachel Becker : “i get knocked down, but i get up again” 17:45:54 From jaclyn backhaus (she/her) : CHUMBA. WUMBA. 17:46:03 From maddy & raphi : @lila, yeeeees 17:46:59 From Gus Heagerty : Really swept by chumba wumba joining working group 17:48:07 From maddy & raphi : “to believe in this living is just a hard way to go” 17:48:30 From noah (he-him) : It also seems to matter who is defining the resilience. Is it claimed by people to mark their own experience, or is it asserted by authority to create the illusion (or promise?) that some crisis is over 17:48:41 From Sarah Tuft (she/her/hers) : It’s vital we understand what loss/grief/emptiness drove your mom to make choices that actually deny her own agency and all that she loves 17:48:59 From declan z (they/them) : mmm 17:49:04 From declan z (they/them) : you’re right 17:49:08 From declan z (they/them) : but i also think 17:49:18 From Adam Mazer : i’ll type it in the chat: 17:49:28 From Lila Rachel Becker : my mom sometimes calls that the zeal of the recently converted (a phrase i’m sure exists elsewhere) 17:50:15 From Adam Mazer : it all feels very medieval - like what got the peasants through the drudgery of their lives was the ubiquity of religion and the belief in the afterlife (probably) 17:50:35 From declan z (they/them) : i don’t know i think ultimately it is just a question of power. like i don’t think i will actually be able to sway or help or change my mom in my lifetime, though i continue to try, and i think “beating” fascism in white supremacy is actually about out-maneuvering and outgunning (figuratively and literally) them, rather than convincing them 17:50:48 From declan z (they/them) : racism *AND white supremacy 17:51:03 From declan z (they/them) : lmao *fascism ! 17:51:22 From Walker Caplan : wanting a reason that one’s circumstances are the way they are — what is the justification and what is the payoff? was living in florida w my grandmother at the beginning of the pandemic, and her thought of “there is a [Godly] reason for all this happening” felt very linked to her extreme pro-police stance, anger at people “not respecting America” (not linking these in general but for her in particular the language was pretty much the same) 17:52:40 From Sarah Tuft (she/her/hers) : For me, it’s about “knowing thine enemy” - not saying your mom is an enemy at all. Just that she’s an opportunity for you to prepare yourself for a life’s work of fighting forces of fascism. How did she get seduced into such a hateful detail of truth? 17:53:13 From declan z (they/them) : right but i think the hard lesson i’ve learned in the last 4 years is that there very well may be a day where my mom IS my enemy 17:53:13 From agnes borinsky : https://www.rustchukfarm.org/uploads/1/3/1/5/131554713/againstthegrain.pdf 17:53:34 From Walker Caplan : @declan - YES 17:53:47 From Sarah Tuft (she/her/hers) : So painful. I’m sorry. Sending you empathy!!! 17:53:57 From declan z (they/them) : but yes— the opportunity to prep myself with her for other fights/arguments in the larger battle— is a true thing 17:54:06 From declan z (they/them) : <3333 17:54:26 From Megan Riordan (she/her) : I see an analogy between a society’s insistence on the personal resilience of individuals and its insistence on tackling climate change through personal consumer choices rather than holding giant polluters to account 17:55:04 From Walker Caplan : @megan: causation 17:55:18 From Walker Caplan : (but yes - definitely feels like a feedback loop) 18:02:39 From declan z (they/them) : so many DELIGHTFUL verbs 18:02:49 From jaclyn backhaus (she/her) : yup!! 18:02:52 From declan z (they/them) : or should i say 18:02:54 From Walker Caplan : i n v e n t o r i e s 18:02:54 From declan z (they/them) : GERUNDS!!!! 18:03:00 From jaclyn backhaus (she/her) : also LOVING “the domus” 18:03:10 From Megan Riordan (she/her) : gerunds on gerunds on gerunds 18:03:10 From declan z (they/them) : obsessed w “tempo of the domus” 18:04:57 From Dina Vovsi : The taskmaster of an austere monastery <3 18:07:36 From Mishy Jacobson : What is this stunning song?! 18:20:32 From Michael Leibenluft (he/him) : We were just getting to taxidermy and everything ended! 18:20:54 From Jordan Baum : ah i forgot! 18:21:04 From Liesel (she/her) : Like Mishy I’d love to know what that beautiful music was and also what was the title and author of the Domus text 18:21:07 From Lila Rachel Becker : hell yeah goldfish 18:21:37 From Clare Barron : <3 18:22:06 From Gus Heagerty : Are we singing this (im not warmed up) 18:22:14 From Meaghan McLeod : I believe it’s https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Against_the_Grain:_A_Deep_History_of_the_Earliest_States 18:22:26 From agnes borinsky : No singing necessary! Just speaking. 18:22:31 From Gus Heagerty : k 18:22:34 From agnes borinsky : It is indeed, @Meaghan 18:24:21 From Sarah Tuft (she/her/hers) : so true, Jacob 18:28:54 From Liesel (she/her) : @Elliot Schiff would you repeat the name of the artist you quoted? 18:29:08 From Mishy Jacobson : I have to run, but thank you beautiful souls for this evening 18:30:07 From Elliot Schiff (he/him) : his name is david berman. he recorded under a couple aliases — “silver jews” was his first and most beloved band, and then he came back in 2019 under the name “purple mountains” — i hope you like his music! 18:30:35 From declan z (they/them) : oh wait i totally know one of his old songs i think 18:30:39 From declan z (they/them) : how to rent a room? 18:31:01 From Liesel (she/her) : Thank you! 18:31:10 From Elliot Schiff (he/him) : @declan that is one of my favorites! a deep cut 18:33:09 From Jordan Baum : thank you Eyad ! 18:33:20 From declan z (they/them) : thank you eyad!! 18:33:40 From agnes borinsky : Ben Harper, “Joshua Tree” 18:38:22 From Lila Rachel Becker : people refer to themselves as unhappy! not resilient~ 18:41:23 From Clare Barron : I like that word tax 18:41:26 From Lila Rachel Becker : i love that phrase “a human tax” lauren 18:42:12 From declan z (they/them) : something i’ve thought about for a few months re: how there will always be harm in one’s life which is that like, the process of birth being a harm / traumatic experience 18:45:44 From declan z (they/them) : class consciousness! 18:46:08 From walkercaplan : o and also — what is it if not a reaction 18:46:44 From Jordan Baum : bye all <3 18:47:44 From Lila Rachel Becker : i gotta hop off as well - thanks for a great session! 18:47:59 From jeffrey steinman : I, too, read resistance: If I Had a Hammer. But maybe that’s resilience as well? 18:48:37 From Liesel (she/her) : Responding to Agnes’ question: Yes to Declan. If resilience is a myth, then when it falls away we could be left with clearer truth? The bare facts of classism and all the other isms that uphold it? 18:52:37 From Liesel (she/her) : Related to what Daniel S is saying … When I think about the myth of resilience, I think a lot about both church and school functioning as real helpers and liberators in the micro, even as they clearly function as tools of the oppressive state in the macro. It seems to me like an infinity loop. They aren’t exclusively one nor the other 18:52:59 From maddy & raphi : + liesel 18:54:24 From walkercaplan : something i’ve been thinking about is how joy is floated as a form of ‘resistance’ — but then it loops back in to being commodified in a representational way, like ‘queer joy’ — which can feel powerful but can also feel like a distortion of the individual. and so i think of the liberation in being truly private. which is great, but feels bad, because this group is about sharing, and lots of 'liberation ‘is about collectivity